I'm shocked to see the speed that many Catholics, and Catholic leaders, are embracing the same path taken by mainline Protestant denominations decades ago. But that's what I'm seeing.
Actually, Episcopalians tend to be circumspect about liturgical innovation and the introduction of modern music into worship. There were some changes with the 1979 Book of Common Prayer, but dignity was maintained. One thing that did change was people's willingness to wear informal clothing to services. That phenomenon appeared around 1987 in my old diocese.
The real problem with the Episcopal Church is the abiding unseriousness of every party within it. Difficult to believe that this was C.S. Lewis' denomination.
It wouldn't surprise me. After all, almost overnight we were able to roll back the clock and say we absolutely should judge people by the color of their skin. I didn't imagine I'd ever live to see that happen, so at this point I wouldn't be surprised at anything else.
1. Although I'm not a fan of the Confederacy, I'm aware that most people who fly Confederate flags today aren't promoting the actual values of the Confederacy, as the meaning of that flag has changed over time. 2. Last time I checked, most people flying Confederate flags today follow cultures very different from the pre-Civil War Southerners. (Put a 21st century redneck and an 1850s plantation owner in the same room and see what happens). 3. I have yet to see a modern CSA fan talk about "Separate but Equal," as a good thing (unless they're in the Klan or something, which most aren't). 4. The Stars and Bars is different from the Confederate Battle Flag. One is a ripoff of the US Flag, the other has a huge X shape on a red background. 5. Maybe Bruce Willkinson was only referring to the White Nationalist fringe? Maybe he's aware that most CSA flag-flyers aren't segregationist? If so, he should've been more clear. 6. Even forgetting all that, what the heck does and of this have to do with the Second Vatican Council? Is he saying that a desire for the Latin Mass is the same as being a Jim Crow enthusiast? If that's what he's saying, he is being highly illogical
Those are good points. I'm sure most people didn't think of the Confederacy or the flag the way we do today. I know I didn't. I knew it was the side of slavery, but then I knew Rommel served Nazi Germany and Yamamaoto planned the Pearl Harbor attack, but we also respected them too.
This is about destroying the Western Christian Democratic traditions, including the whole of the American experiment. China has taught the powers that be a neat trick - that you don't need freedom and democracy to have tons of money and wealth. In fact, if you play your cards right, you can make bank off a system antithetical to freedom and democracy. I can't help but guess why so much of the market has joined the 'death to the racist nation' movement.
This thinking amounts to "if it's old, it's how those racists think."
ReplyDeleteNot too hard to extrapolate what that means for opinions on dogma, the sacraments, the fathers and doctors of the Church, etc.
I'm shocked to see the speed that many Catholics, and Catholic leaders, are embracing the same path taken by mainline Protestant denominations decades ago. But that's what I'm seeing.
DeleteAny clergyman hostile to tradition is one to whom I never lend my ear.
ReplyDeleteIf I wanted a Church hostile to its own traditions, I would have become Anglican.
DeleteActually, Episcopalians tend to be circumspect about liturgical innovation and the introduction of modern music into worship. There were some changes with the 1979 Book of Common Prayer, but dignity was maintained. One thing that did change was people's willingness to wear informal clothing to services. That phenomenon appeared around 1987 in my old diocese.
DeleteThe real problem with the Episcopal Church is the abiding unseriousness of every party within it. Difficult to believe that this was C.S. Lewis' denomination.
Someone wants to be a bishop. And likely will be, things being how they are. 🤦🏻♂️
ReplyDeleteSadly, I fear you're right. And that's never a good sign.
DeleteDon McClarey says the guy is retired, so maybe we’ll be spared that indignity. But the point remains, I believe.
DeleteMerry Christmas to all!
If he's retired than the less damage he can do. And Merry Christmas back!
DeleteWhen all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail.
ReplyDeleteIsn't that the truth. Even where you'd think no hammer could ever be used, they use it.
DeleteIsn't it the BLM /Critical Race Theory crowd who are the ones who "insist that separate but equal philosophies offer a way to a stable future"?
ReplyDeleteIt wouldn't surprise me. After all, almost overnight we were able to roll back the clock and say we absolutely should judge people by the color of their skin. I didn't imagine I'd ever live to see that happen, so at this point I wouldn't be surprised at anything else.
Delete1. Although I'm not a fan of the Confederacy, I'm aware that most people who fly Confederate flags today aren't promoting the actual values of the Confederacy, as the meaning of that flag has changed over time.
ReplyDelete2. Last time I checked, most people flying Confederate flags today follow cultures very different from the pre-Civil War Southerners. (Put a 21st century redneck and an 1850s plantation owner in the same room and see what happens).
3. I have yet to see a modern CSA fan talk about "Separate but Equal," as a good thing (unless they're in the Klan or something, which most aren't).
4. The Stars and Bars is different from the Confederate Battle Flag. One is a ripoff of the US Flag, the other has a huge X shape on a red background.
5. Maybe Bruce Willkinson was only referring to the White Nationalist fringe? Maybe he's aware that most CSA flag-flyers aren't segregationist? If so, he should've been more clear.
6. Even forgetting all that, what the heck does and of this have to do with the Second Vatican Council? Is he saying that a desire for the Latin Mass is the same as being a Jim Crow enthusiast? If that's what he's saying, he is being highly illogical
Those are good points. I'm sure most people didn't think of the Confederacy or the flag the way we do today. I know I didn't. I knew it was the side of slavery, but then I knew Rommel served Nazi Germany and Yamamaoto planned the Pearl Harbor attack, but we also respected them too.
DeleteThis is about destroying the Western Christian Democratic traditions, including the whole of the American experiment. China has taught the powers that be a neat trick - that you don't need freedom and democracy to have tons of money and wealth. In fact, if you play your cards right, you can make bank off a system antithetical to freedom and democracy. I can't help but guess why so much of the market has joined the 'death to the racist nation' movement.