Friday, September 22, 2023

Making the Christian Church irrelevant

Ages ago, during my journey into the Catholic Church, I stumbled upon Mark Shea's old blog Catholic and Enjoying It.  Later, I had the chance to meet Mark at the EWTN studios.  We chatted for a while.  He seemed somewhat engaged as we discussed my conversion.  Mostly he rose up and took notice when I mentioned that, before I entered the Church, I spent years looking into the Catholic Faith.  What I found, more often than not, was people who told me that being Catholic means, well, whatever you want it to mean.  Catholics believe all sorts of things really, at least nowadays.  Most seemed to find that refreshing.  Which sounded to me more of a Protestant caricature than most Protestants I knew.

Mark made a quip about Catholics being the biggest obstacle for non-Catholics entering the Church.  Or some such.  He assured me that this was NOT Catholicism.  Catholicism is not a salad bar, where you can pick and choose your beliefs and favorite doctrines.  It isn't Protestantism, where you chase after your own version of the Faith and build a new church based on the latest.  You can't just take parts of the Church's teachings and ditch them because you don't like them.  In answering a question I emailed him requesting more specifics, he made it clear that the Magisterium isn't the latest opinions about Church teaching.  And we can't just go back through church history, find obscure teachings or writings by even the Church Fathers, and then use isolated statements to reject what the Church has universally affirmed and taught through the ages. 

Which is why I link to this.  I mostly ignore Mark at this point.  But this is worth noting.  Mark has linked to Orthodox firebrand David Bentley Hart.  To traditional and little-o Orthodox Christians, Hart is a bit like John Dominic Crossan of the infamous Jesus Seminar (Mark Shea used to eviscerate Crossan for his liberal theological approach to the Faith).  Or John Shelby Spong, who incorporated a liberation emphasis with his already liberal theological approach.  That is, not only can much of the Faith be dismissed as erroneous, but let's not forget the evil sexism, racism and other phobic teachings.  Or, in older days, Hart might be a Moltmann, or a Bultmann figure, or any one of the 20th Century liberal theologians of the Protestant world assuring us that large swaths of Christian teaching must simply be left behind. 

In short, Hart rejects fealty to the historical faith. He has absolutely no problem saying the Church has gotten it wrong for, oh, these last 2000 years.  Like many who tack left, he has a knack for displaying contempt for those yokels who haven't seen the light. An Orthodox writer I followed during my time with the Orthodox Church posted on Hart's book, in which Hart calls for an end to the concept of heresies (smart move), as well as the doctrine of Hell, and an even more extreme form of Theosis, or becoming like God:


Obviously not a fan.  And a bit harsh for my taste. But he's defending the Orthodox Church against the same attacks that liberal theologians have been launching at the Western Church for generations.  Attacks grounded in the same secular and theologically liberal interpretations of the Scriptures and the Church's history.  You know - you can't take the miracles seriously, the prophets were written after the fact, as were Jesus' statements suggesting foreknowledge, that Isaiah or much of the New Testament was written by anyone other than who tradition says, we can't believe there ever existed a Noah, Moses, Abraham, David (or in recent years, the apostles), or that many of the teachings of Scripture and historical Christianity are from a barbaric time of the past to be rejected.  That sort of thing.  

What is noteworthy is how Mark, who once railed against this liberal relativism where the historical Christian Faith is concerned, seems to hang on Hart's every word.  He does say he's not prepared to embrace Hart's certainty that the Church has been full of BS where the doctrine of Hell is concerned.  Nonetheless, he appears to exalt Hart, allow for that particular revised take on Church doctrine, and all while Hart is doing what Mark insisted should never, ever be done.  At least what should never, ever be confused with Catholic teaching. 

In addition, look at the comments.  Notice the casual way that commenters say they used to believe in Hell, but they're felling much better now.  Thanks goodness they threw that doctrine out the window.  See Mark's statement to me about not being able to do that.  

Yet such is post-Christian era neo-Christianity. We can actually say - with a straight face - that the first twenty centuries of Church teaching is not a deal breaker.  In our post-Christian era, it's as if we are prepared to rewrite the entire Christian faith in our image.  Or at least the image demanded by our post-Christian age.  

I can't imagine anything that will render not only the Catholic Church, but the Christian Faith as a whole, more irrelevant than the constant call to reimagine and reject anything and everything from the Faith's first 2000 years.  It doesn't seem to be working, as more and more young people are turning away and outright denouncing everything the biblical witness brought to the world.  Which makes perfect senses.  They've been taught by our society for generations that religion is a lie we tell ourselves anyway.  This merely confirms the lesson.  Plus, who's to say we're right this time?   Certainly it's questionable we're right about some invisible God in an invisible heaven with an invisible Spirit, when the Church can't seem to get a grip on the basics.  Best to use Sunday mornings to sleep in at this point.

BTW, in case you're wondering, for many Orthodox Christians, Hart was a sort of Scott Hahn, or for Protestants, a James Dobson type.  A layperson they admired because he is quite brilliant, a deep thinker, and not afraid to say what he thinks.  And for a long time, his energies were directed at stomping for adherence to the Faith once and for all delivered to the saints.  Somewhere and at some time, however, he turned a hard left, and more than one Orthodox observer has echoed the concerns and anger of the fellow above.  How and why this happened is, I'm sure, a bigger story than this little blog can speak to.  But it has caused as much concern in Orthodox circles as the rise of liberal critical rejection of the historical Faith did to us Westerners.  Or at least concern among those who take the historical teachings of the Faith seriously. 

12 comments:

  1. As a long time reader of First Things, I take complete umbrage at Shea’s mischaracterization of the publication. I only recognize Hart because he has written in it in the past. But to say that it went all “MAGA cult” is just plain wrong. After Neuhaus died, it wobbled a bit under Joseph Bottom, (who ended up going all in for homosexual unions later), and then fell into the capable hands of RR Reno. Reno is a true intellectual. He has never advocated for Trump, but he does observe the reasons the guy resonated with people and has expressed understanding for those reasons, perhaps even sympathy. I guess that makes him, and by extension I suppose, part of the “cult”.
    Anyway, this morning’s readings at Mass once again warn us not to accept another gospel than the one we have received. And I guess I’m a rube, but Jesus talked about the place a lot... as if it were a place to be avoid. A fate so awful He was willing to incarnate and die to save us from it. If Hell doesn’t exist, why bother with the Cross?

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    1. For Mark, MAGA is a synonym for 'things I'm against.' Basically if three Mongolians murdered a Nigerian in Bolivia, Mark would make it about MAGA. As for the absence of Hell in any meaningful way, the irony is that we must turn to other places in the New Testament, rather than Jesus, since Jesus makes it clear there are significant consequences to not doing the will of God.

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  2. (Tom New Poster)
    Catholics who rail against "cafeteria Catholicism" often forget that as the Faith not a buffet, neither is it a pot luck. Jesus scored the Pharisees not only for leaving out Divine Truths they felt inconvenient, but also for adding their own preferences as if they were divine truths. Climate change, gun control, veganism, absolutism on the death penalty, the Latin or vernacular Mass, etc. are not part of the Deposit of Faith.

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    1. Yet you begin to wonder about those as not being the Deposit of Faith when we see things that historically were assumed as the Deposit of Faith so casually tossed out the window. Suggesting the Church has been wrong about the hereafter for these couple millennia makes it so much easier to insert 'but climate change on the other hand' into the mix.

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    2. Right, it's not a buffet or a pot luck. It's not "You have to eat everything we put on your plate or you get no dessert." Much of what is being taught today by our alleged shepherds has no basis in Scripture or Tradition; it's just the fashionable ideas of the moment. Catholics are correct to reject a good chunk of it as not de fide. --- G. Poulin

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  3. It is with almost bile fascination that one watches the Christian teachings get infected with heresies nowadays. From mercy that is something bestowed upon the guilty, to now a required issuance to every man, woman, and child regardless of who they are (unless MAGA of course - no way God can forgive or show mercy to them).

    Somedays I wonder if you were to ask these people, "why did Jesus die on the cross" their answer would be, "because you're not as awesome as me." Maybe they misread Luke 18 as a "how to" instead of a warning.

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    1. Getting rid of doctrines is like eating potato chips - once you start, you just can't stop. Exactly why they would say Jesus died could vary - for those who still believe He did. Of course some believe in that like they believe in Harry Potter. For those who say they still believe in the historical nature of the biblical narrative, I couldn't guess how they would square that.

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  4. I read the Orthodox commenter's take on Hart when he posted it and I don't think it's too harsh at all. DBH is melding in Buddhism, tossing the councils aside and going whole hog on Sergei Bulgakov. And all that after shredding Orthodoxy in America as a mire of mediocrity unworthy of him and claiming that he is responsible for writing up Orthodox social doctrine. And then he wrote off all modern Orthodox theology outside of a few unnamed Greeks as unmerciful and without value. The megalomania is reaching levels never charted before.

    I dislike the anti-Western insanity of Romanides myself, but I think it's safe to say the deceased theologian would be appalled by Hart. These days, Orthodoxy is simply the label/pass that gets him face time.

    As for Mark...well, when all you have is MAGA copypasta, all problems look like Trump.

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    2. From the criticisms I've seen, there is definitely the feel that he has jumped the shark where fealty to the historical Faith is concerned. The bigger problem is some of the things he says to deny the obvious. To me, that is always a warning sign.

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  5. "BTW, in case you're wondering, for many Orthodox Christians, Hart was a sort of Scott Hahn, or for Protestants, a James Dobson type." Or, for those in Middle Earth, a Saruman type. -- Barliman Butterbur

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    1. I knew some who liked Hart back in the day, but see him going the way of liberal Protestantism. Basically, the first 2000 years are up for grabs.

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