Obedience to the Political Left. Woof:
Are we sure all ICE agents are psycho fascist murderous thugs? And then, does that mean we're allowed to crow over the suffering of such vile criminals and even their loved ones who might be impacted? I mean, that doesn't strike me as that portrayal of good old liberal kindness I grew up with, Christian or otherwise. I remember when not a few Catholic apologists railed against those who cheered the death of Osama bin Laden, reminding us that real Christians never gloat over the suffering of others, even our enemies. Or did that just mean gloating over the death of people who orchestrate the slaughter of thousands of Americans?
Yet here, from that bastion of Christian charity, we also have similar:
It's a shame because it could harm them, or their families or loved ones. At least those in ICE who aren't gestapo murderers. But again, this is the modern Left, which has done yeoman's work reducing everything to a bumper sticker; of eliminating the idea that problems could be vast and complex and instead distilling reality down to Group A v. Group B. The Left that has done wonders by convincing so many, including our leadership and even Christian institutions, that there is no human race, only intersecting demographic groups through which all worth and culpability are measured.
BTW, doxxing. I had to ask my sons some years ago. It means finding personal information about someone and then plastering it online. Usually with the hope that some harm comes to them or theirs as a result. So when one of his readers, expressing the same concern about ICE, was nonetheless concerned about Mark's vengeful tone, his response was thus:
Eeek.
Which reminds me of Mike Lewis and his post trying to score political points in God's name when Mel Gibson's home was consumed by the LA fires.
Now, I don't know about you, but there are plenty people out there I don't care for owing to their politics or other belief systems and behaviors. But I would never gloat over harm done to them, even disguising it as some prophetic utterance. And that isn't from being Christian, but merely how I was taught growing up, both by my parents and society at large.
Not all of it has to be a flagrant disregard for the wellbeing of those who dare dissent from the Leftist State of course. Some can be the opposite, glorifying those who the Left/Press has beautified as the type of people Jesus tried to be. For that, here is an example from Dawn Eden, reminding us that Ana Narvo is most likely correct, Alex Pretti was the most perfect guy.
Thus only one side of the tragedy need ever be accepted.
And for a bonus, when anti-ICE activists broke into a church to disrupt worship services, I assumed it would be one of those embarrassments that most on the Left would try to sweep under the rug. And for the most part I was right. For the Left Media, the arrest of Don Lemon became the focus. Sort of like the press focusing on free speech when people were fired for wanting more Charlie Kirk killings as opposed to focusing on the the implication of those wanting the killing of Charlie Kirk.
But kudos to Mark, who rushes in to mock those in the church who say they were upset, or their children frightened, when their worship service was so intruded upon. Cosplaying martyrdom he called it. I guess freedom to worship unhindered comes with the caveat that this freedom is contingent not on what one feels about Jesus or God, but whether one conforms to the political Left and its narratives or not. Or, more shockingly, on whether or not the Left and its corporate instruments deem you worthy of such rights.
As I've said before, none of this is to say there is nothing wrong with how President Trump has tried to correct the border crisis. Or would I suggest that in an operation so vast, bad things could never happen, even to innocent people. And we don't need to point out every anti-ICE advocate's refusal to even acknowledge that some detainees have been violent criminals and many thousands of Americans have been harmed or even killed as a result of illegal immigration. We won't discuss the Left's ability, courtesy of a sympathetic media, to dehumanize those who get in the way.
No. All of this is to ask the question - what the hell went wrong with the great Protestant Converts to Catholicism movement of yore? I mean, to varying degrees, none of these individuals were so immersed in the leftwing tank. Not that they were all a bunch of radical right-wingers. But I can distinctly recall some absolutely attacking the very things we're seeing: Condemning everyone in a group, wishing harm to those in opposing groups, and of course anyone treading on Christian praxis in the name politics. Because Catholicism don't you know. That great fulfillment of the Faith that set the abuses of Protestantism and our modern secular state aright. Yet there it is. They are far more glued to the full secular leftwing movement than any religious right Christian ever was to the political right back in the day.
I won't give my ideas about what happened, since I don't know for sure. I was in a discussion with someone else about those high profile converts to Catholicism who have plunged into the vat of the secular leftwing movement. What he said isn't too far from the likelihood, but I'd be curious if there are any other insights. I realize that this is a small portion of Catholicism, but it isn't a small portion of the Catholic Convert Culture that was so prominent back in the day, but today looks barely different from an average MSNBC broadcast. At least in these cases.
BTW, it should be noted that in all of the rejoicing over potential suffering of the ICE agents and anyone to do with them, none of it has anything to do with even acknowledging the thousands of Americans victimized by illegal immigration. As we've seen from even much of the Church's leadership, many have embraced the leftwing media's dictum that it's not if we should care about the suffering and death of the innocent, but when. And that is answered as only as long as it can be exploited, and not a minute more. Chilling, if you think about it. But you can hardly blame those here, when most in our leadership, including Christian leadership, apparently approves this message.
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| I hope there was a reason he couldn't attend, just like I lamented those who were forbidden to attend weddings and funerals during Covid. I wonder if Mr. Greydanus was as indignant then. |







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ReplyDeleteThe Ban-Shea has gone from cranky to nasty to "flipping bonkers". This is the talk you might expect from Londoners in the 1940s after the Luftwaffe flattened their homes, only none of that happened here. This is feedback shriek that you get when the mike is too close to the speaker. This guy needs air!
And yet, in fairness, it's not just Shea. Perhaps he's the most vitriolic, but Greydanus is a high profile deacon of the Catholic Church. Shea is, at the end, a layperson. But Greydanus, who has the ear of many in and out of the Church, has no problem gloating over the suffering if ICE agents in general, since I guess they're all just murderous thugs. Even if it might harm their families or children, it doesn't seem to cut any ice with him. That was what I wondered. These are all Catholic converts from outside Catholicism. How have they become the worst examples of secular leftwing activism and radicalism?
DeleteTom, that's not even his angriest post about them.
DeleteThe flaw in Shea's comment is easy to see as soon as you change out the subject:
ReplyDelete"Illegal immigrants are masked, unidentified members of a terrorist organization that observes no law as they beat, kidnap, rape, and murder innocent people. [snip] Enough with Tone Policing their victims and trying to shame people for speaking out."
Oh wait... he loves to tone police and shame victims of immigrants for speaking out.
And of course whatever excuse one might use to counter the above, would apply just as much to countering his claims.
What's even funnier is the recent fight Mark had with a person commenting with Mark replying "you object to the good because it isn't perfect" (or something to that extent), yet all of his and SDG's complaints about law enforcement in the country is apparently... that it's not perfect. So it has to stop.
How in the world these people got any reputation as any kind of authority or moral voice shows just has low modern standards have gotten.
You know, I had actually kinda forgotten Shea existed until that post. Basic charity prevents me from saying anything else, because so many thoughts are going through my brain.
ReplyDeleteI agree that SGD is worse in many ways because he is a deacon. That said, Shea is a Catholic apologist, and his words are leading sheep astray in two directions - towards an incorrect understanding of Catholic theology, or away from the Church because if this guy is supposed to represent what Catholicism is about, why do I need to be with those people?