tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post6387357747840533106..comments2024-03-18T14:05:13.725-04:00Comments on Daffey Thoughts: Mark Shea is not a liberalDavid Griffeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-1154493241736528862014-10-13T12:28:17.788-04:002014-10-13T12:28:17.788-04:00Deuce finally reminds me why I wanted you to post ...Deuce finally reminds me why I wanted you to post your comment in the first place and the reply I was thinking of, David. lol<br /><br />So another sign of differences is that liberals tend to argue for what they want, conservatives tend to argue for what is possible. The big problem is that liberals seem to mistakenly (or perhaps on purpose for some) believe that conservatives are arguing for what they want.<br /><br />To use a non-controversial example:<br />Liberals-"Everyone should get a unicorn!"<br />Conservatives-"Unicorns don't exist."<br />L-"Why do you hate unicorns and children so much?"<br />C-"We don't."<br />L-"Well children like unicorns so will you give them one if elected?"<br />C-"...no."<br />L-"Why not?"<br />C-"Because unicorns aren't real."<br />L-"See? Conservatives are trying to engage in a war on unicorns!"<br /><br />Then of course (to over stretch the metaphor), when elected Liberals suddenly realize, uh oh, unicorns don't exist. So they have to issue out unicorn toys to everyone to try and keep their promises. Often blaming conservatives for why the unicorns are in toy form. This pattern happens every. damn. time.<br /><br />Hence that's what we see with Mark. He'll propose what he wants, then complain when people try and point out why it's impossible. (like his sarcastic reply of "give up" when people, often ACTUAL engineers, point out why his dream of gun tech is unlikely)Nate Winchesterhttp://natewinchester.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-71439983549812839962014-10-12T06:16:57.798-04:002014-10-12T06:16:57.798-04:00I think you're right. I think much of Mark...I think you're right. I think much of Mark's rage comes when he is attacking things to do with conservatism while squaring it with being a conservative. He seems much less angry when lashing out against things like abortion or gay marriage. His wrath is almost always locked into his attacks on those who hold to traditional and conservative views. <br /><br />But as I said in that post, it's not just that Mark attacks conservatives. One could say he's just holding his own team's feet to the fire, higher standards and all. But increasingly he accepts viewpoints and narratives much more common to the left side of the spectrum. Even regarding things like gay rights or feminism. <br /><br />And part of that, I think, is because over the years he has severed ties with various conservative writers and thinkers and warmed up to individuals who are clearly left of center. Now that most of his readers are either the 'used to be conservative but now just a pure Catholics' or flat our liberal, I think echo chamber is appropriate. And yet somehow, deep down, it causes issues. Hence the rage when that occurs.<br /><br />But if that chart is anywhere close, you'd think he'd get that this is hurting his blog. But since he gets most of his income now not from his blog, at this point it possibly doesn't matter anyway. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-64676812442645314182014-10-09T09:52:54.233-04:002014-10-09T09:52:54.233-04:00It isn't that Mark just fails to see these thi...It isn't that Mark just <i>fails</i> to see these things. The issue is that as a Leftist, Mark is <i>constantly lying to himself about everything</i>. That's why Mark, like other Leftists, is so angry all the time and hypersensitive about criticism. He's dealing with the frustration of cognitive dissonance, the difference between what he knows to be true and what he tells himself. And he lives in constant fear that reality will force its way past his defenses and shatter the lies he has told himself and become deeply invested in. Any critical comment he reads, any article by someone who disagrees with him, risk putting reality in his face and heightening his cognitive dissonance, so he must avoid them as best he can, and if something makes it impossible for him to ignore, he reacts viscerally and furiously tries to delete the ungoodthink.<br /><br />And on top of that war with reality that *all* Leftists deal with, Mark also has the impossible task of trying to square his secular liberalism with Christianity as well. So he's got to feed himself BS on that score too (eg, people who think hell is real just want people to go there, socialist welfare is the same as charity and conservatives who oppose it "hate the poor" even though they give more to the poor than liberals do, etc), and loudly engage in "Catholicer than thou" self-righteous preening, to delude himself about the fact that people who actually do care about Christian issues are abandoning his site as he attacks them and espouses a political ideology that is inherently atheistic.The Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09664665914768916965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-58314583590243011142014-10-09T09:52:40.251-04:002014-10-09T09:52:40.251-04:00Most of Mark's readers are clearly to the left...<i>Most of Mark's readers are clearly to the left of center, and they sniff around Mark's blog waiting for the 'Right equals Evil' posts.</i><br /><br />Hell, most are left of Marx.<br /><br /><i>Some of his readers say they are former conservatives, but now they're just Catholic</i><br /><br />That line is almost self-parodic in its smugness and self-righteousness. Funny how it took two millenia for people to realize that hard-left socialist modernism is simply coextensive with Catholicism.<br /><br /><i>Some of the interesting posts, some of the interesting topics that used to get a decent number of comments now stand virtually ignored. I wonder if Mark sees this.</i><br /><br />Of course he <i>sees</i> it, but he's deliberately blocking it out of his mind.<br /><br />Look, when Mark attacks a Kevin Williamson article that he hasn't even read based on things that weren't said in it, do you think he's <i>truly</i> unaware that he hasn't read it? When somebody points out that gun control increases the murder rate, and Mark just ignores the unwelcome facts and continues blaming "gun culture" while pretending that he's primarily trying to reduce the murder rate, do you think he's <i>truly</i> unaware that those facts exist and that he hasn't dealt with them? When he claims that socialist welfare is in the Catechism and that those who don't agree with it hate the poor and aren't really pro-life, do you think he <i>really</i> believes that's what they believe?The Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09664665914768916965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-37220264706583212662014-10-06T22:43:39.721-04:002014-10-06T22:43:39.721-04:00Actually the reference came from one of the commen...Actually the reference came from one of the comments on his Saturday post. I knew then he would post it this week. So while I couldn't prove it, I have a hunch Mark got that from reading the comments on his own blog. Or the individual sent it to him who also posted it. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-70370087293471892472014-10-06T21:16:51.962-04:002014-10-06T21:16:51.962-04:00Nate, quoting Mark:
I don't go out of my way ...Nate, quoting Mark:<br /><br /><i>I don't go out of my way at all. This stuff washes up in my FB feed and email everyday. The Right is the home of Crazy.</i><br /><br />Yeah, I'm sure Mark just chanced upon the Twitter feed of some guy in the South Carolina GOP by accident.<br /><br />Mark sees all the "crazy" on the right because he's surrounded himself with a left-wing echo chamber and gets all his "news" from left-wing hate sites like Rawstory and Jon Stewart. And, as with Kevin Williamson hit piece, the vast majority of the "crazy" he sees is fabricated by his sources, but he never learns that because he's too lazy and prejudiced to ever actually read the "crazy" conservative articles he's lambasting himself. It's pure confirmation bias.The Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09664665914768916965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-10290589752927912892014-10-06T20:29:05.981-04:002014-10-06T20:29:05.981-04:00And the shame of it? He has a post linking to T. M...And the shame of it? He has a post linking to T. McDonald about the subject of ghosts. Was a time, years ago, that such a post would have had at least a couple dozen comments. Sometimes more. People throwing in ghost stories, their own views. Maybe a few quibbles or just affirmations. Now they're all but ignored. Most of Mark's readers are clearly to the left of center, and they sniff around Mark's blog waiting for the 'Right equals Evil' posts. Some of his readers say they are former conservatives, but now they're just Catholic (as if they are only fully obedient and never based on anything other than true loyalty pure and simple). They chime in, too. But that's all. Some of the interesting posts, some of the interesting topics that used to get a decent number of comments now stand virtually ignored. I wonder if Mark sees this. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-52942469606531569802014-10-06T18:55:38.137-04:002014-10-06T18:55:38.137-04:00So I went and checked on this Todd fellow Mark'...So I went and checked on this Todd fellow Mark's having a fit about...<br /><br />From his twitter description:<br /><i>*ON DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION* / The Honey Badger of American Politics / Or: Kincannon, The Insult Comic Dog</i><br /><br />Huh. So he's someone who's deliberately provocative for attention and lulz.<br /><br />I'm beginning to think Mark's just angry at conservatives that do a better job than he does at outrage and humor. Mark that as another sign Shea's full on liberal now: he feels the need to police & tell people what's funny or not. (at the very least, he can no longer make "dark overlord" jokes from now on, after all if he makes that, someone else might call him crazy)Nate Winchesterhttp://natewinchester.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-3339550103570763422014-10-06T18:41:27.755-04:002014-10-06T18:41:27.755-04:00Then Shea's recently posted...
You can’t get ...Then Shea's recently posted...<br /><br /><i>You can’t get me far enough away from this lunacy fast enough</i><br /><br />And in the comments of that post:<br /><br /><i>I don't go out of my way at all. This stuff washes up in my FB feed and email everyday. The Right is the home of Crazy. And, in this case, this guy had risen to an important job in the SC GOP. But the Party of Personal Responsibility blames people for noticing the crazy, not for letting lunatics like this rise to important offices in its ranks.</i><br /><br />So, again, HOW is he conservative? I mean besides in the more dictionary definition sense in relation to his religion, but political wise? He's outright admitted he's no longer rightist.Nate Winchesterhttp://natewinchester.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-57242135441082121712014-10-06T11:22:22.917-04:002014-10-06T11:22:22.917-04:00Eh, dude, like I explained to TMLutas in my last p...Eh, dude, like I explained to TMLutas in my last post under Nate's article, it's not worth it imo. Mark has abandoned reason entirely, and he won't read anything critical of his opinion, so persuasion is impossible. You might as well talk to a brick wall, except brick walls aren't typically as nasty.<br /><br />If you insist on talking to him, give him the truth hard and direct in a way that he *can't* ignore, and then let him bear responsibility for shutting himself off from the light when he bans you. The inability to post there will overcome the urge to do so, and you will have the satisfaction of going out with dignity.<br /><br />There's no profit to be had in reading Mark. Anything he says that isn't completely inane is said better by people who still have functioning intellects. The only thing that has any possibility of saving him now is to be forced to face the consequences of burning in wrath and isolating himself from every decent human being who cares about the truth or the state of his soul. It's obvious that regardless of what anyone says or how they say it, it goes in one ear and out the other, as Mark continues his mad self-destructive crusade against the great white whale of conservatism.<br /><br />Leave him to his <a href="http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=mark%20shea" rel="nofollow">dwindling echo chamber</a> of sneering fanatics to stew in his own bile until and unless he's had enough and wants to repent.The Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09664665914768916965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-78685772751497968042014-10-04T07:19:40.126-04:002014-10-04T07:19:40.126-04:00Mark just posted a post slamming gun rights advoca...Mark just posted a post slamming gun rights advocates. I'm the first to respond. We'll see. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-38669329254248630412014-10-02T21:56:23.266-04:002014-10-02T21:56:23.266-04:00One of the primary doctrines of liberalism is that...One of the primary doctrines of liberalism is that the Christian West and its bastard child America are the sole cause of evil in the world, and the true enemy are those who would preserve the non-liberally endorsed heritage of those cultures. <br /><br />That point with Mark isn't just that he hates on conservatives and loves liberals, it's that he increasingly sounds like liberals and seems to accept the liberal narrative. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-52526343868262840152014-10-02T21:43:43.327-04:002014-10-02T21:43:43.327-04:00Dave:
Of course since Mark has accused me of want...Dave:<br /><br /><i>Of course since Mark has accused me of wanting to increase human slaughter in order to disregard the Church, that little standard is probably a thing of the past.</i><br /><br />Ha ha, of course not. It's merely been relegated to "good for thee but not for me" status like all his other "standards."<br /><br />Notice the part in that thread where I said the following:<br /><br /><b>-----------------------------------------------------------------<br />Oh the irony:<br /><br />"But the way of puritanized right wing Americanized conservative Catholicism is always to seek out culture war enemies and those tainted with ritual impurity and purge them.<br />-----------------------------------------------------------------</b><br /><br />I was quoting Mark himself from <b>the Facebook post IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING the screenshotted one in which he declares Matt Walsh to be Not A Real Catholic.</b> In this case he was smearing conservative Catholics for failing to see Muslims for the "natural allies" they supposedly are and make common cause with them. But a Catholic conservative monster like Matt Walsh? Why, that's different! He's just beyond the pale and a Catholic liberal like Mark (sorry, I mean not-liberal!) couldn't possibly have anything to do with him!<br /><br />To take another example, note how he'll bloviate on "the often repeated and very stupid argument of gun culture that we should make it as easy as possible for the dangerously unstable to procure the tools of mass death," even though he can't cite anyone who ever made such a stupid argument, since he invented it himself by outrageously twisting other people's words beyond recognition and then putting them in their mouths.<br /><br />But don't you dare point out the obvious fact that he's a liberal, or he will piss and moan about how mean and uncharitable you're being to put words in <i>his</i> mouth and tell him what he thinks!<br /><br />So yeah, "no accusations" is still operative, but only as it pertains to himself and members of left-wing client groups. If it weren't for double standards, Mark would have no standards left at all.The Deucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-51521165139643460782014-10-02T21:29:01.690-04:002014-10-02T21:29:01.690-04:00Oh, you da man, Nate!Oh, you da man, Nate!The Deucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-8619800995133725012014-10-02T21:28:20.028-04:002014-10-02T21:28:20.028-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bibbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16289297580290585382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-43047036484196223152014-10-02T18:23:40.716-04:002014-10-02T18:23:40.716-04:00Hate to hear another ban. Was a time when Mark on...Hate to hear another ban. Was a time when Mark only banned people for accusing people of something. The first person I remember banned got the door because he accused Pavel of being a socialist. No accusations. Of course since Mark has accused me of wanting to increase human slaughter in order to disregard the Church, that little standard is probably a thing of the past. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-9384648023373984182014-10-02T15:12:38.007-04:002014-10-02T15:12:38.007-04:00For Mark to be able to acknowledge error and accep...For Mark to be able to acknowledge error and accept correction, he'd have to be capable of rational dialogue. You can't reason an unreasonable man into being reasonable, after all.<br /><br />Btw, I've gotten banned from his Facebook page too now. <a href="http://telictalk.com/mark_hateses-matt-forever.html" rel="nofollow">Here's a screenshot of the thread what did it.</a> Glad I went down firmly telling him how it is.<br /><br />Notice that the last post on there is by me, but from a different account, since I was banned in the middle of writing it. You'll be unsurprised to learn that he deleted it afterward, since as a leftist, Mark follows the Gnostic belief that you can make unwelcome truths go away by declaring them unreal, sticking your fingers in your ears, and shooting the messengers. That's why it's always a good idea to take screen shots when arguing with leftists, if you want to keep your commentary from being disappeared.The Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09664665914768916965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-52486029340143371532014-10-02T10:15:36.058-04:002014-10-02T10:15:36.058-04:00How far does that call to accept someone's wor...How far does that call to accept someone's words go? I mean if a guy is running around claiming he's a duck while... he's very clearly not, there's one of two possibilities:<br /><br />1) He's insane (after all, even if lying, why pick such a poor lie?)<br />2) He's mistaken. Perhaps he doesn't understand English or has a poor translation guide and thinks "Duck" means "man".<br /><br />Hence why I keep saying, Mark may be a "conservative" in terms of Seattle, but on the whole, going by the full definition, he's pretty obviously on the left and is mistaken about the definitions.<br /><br />The problem is that he won't acknowledge his error or accept correction.Nate Winchesterhttp://natewinchester.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-83455781423237090052014-10-01T17:56:04.497-04:002014-10-01T17:56:04.497-04:00Heh. I've concluded that, whatever Mark claim...Heh. I've concluded that, whatever Mark claims, he is a pro-life non-conformist with increasingly liberal sympathies and tendencies. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-72318804350416998642014-10-01T09:33:56.437-04:002014-10-01T09:33:56.437-04:00Mark has seemed like such a bitter, vindictive, mi...Mark has seemed like such a bitter, vindictive, miserable person lately, it's nice to see him write some lighthearted comedy for a change.The Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09664665914768916965noreply@blogger.com