tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post3296799186993668074..comments2024-03-29T05:22:26.118-04:00Comments on Daffey Thoughts: Max Boot gets itDavid Griffeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-39367801259882018092021-10-28T12:03:22.390-04:002021-10-28T12:03:22.390-04:00LoL yeah, I'm sure you're an adequate judg...LoL yeah, I'm sure you're an adequate judge of anime memes. XD <br /><br />Anyway that's not a rebuttal. Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-47909593577710503612021-10-27T15:53:26.081-04:002021-10-27T15:53:26.081-04:00That's not a 'classic meme'. That'...That's not a 'classic meme'. That's your latest ass pull. Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-59709593634735734572021-10-27T14:22:55.443-04:002021-10-27T14:22:55.443-04:00FWIW, and my two cents being worth about two cents...FWIW, and my two cents being worth about two cents, I don't think we can pinpoint when Mark went off the rails. Just when might differ depending on the viewpoints of those watching. For me, even early writings - in hindsight - showed warning signs. But that's hindsight. With Mark isn't when he went off the rails as much as it is that he did. And the bigger problem is he still gets money and attention for being an official teacher of Catholic Social Teaching, when he's actually become a dangerous political partisan who gives anyone the idea that it's better to help destroy Mark's political opponents than worry all that much about God, Jesus, or the Catholic Church. But then, in Mark's defense, I can't say much more about the current pope, so there is that. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-45721729374670251342021-10-27T13:39:50.813-04:002021-10-27T13:39:50.813-04:00You know what's a quick way to sum up that ent...You know what's a quick way to sum up that entire paragraph? "Filter" But good job arguing my point.<br /><br />And if you find two distinct personalities that odd, then you haven't gotten out enough. <a href="https://www.pinterest.com/pin/300544975141127018/" rel="nofollow">I mean this is a classic anime meme about two creators</a> and how variant their work is from their personalities. <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtectionFromEditors" rel="nofollow">Protection from editors is a freakin' trope</a>. What used to be more common is that people (especially public writers) had people in their lives (agents, publishers, etc) to help keep up their image. Now with social media, all those filters are coming off. It's really not that odd.Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-797084014829453902021-10-27T11:39:10.376-04:002021-10-27T11:39:10.376-04:00I've got news for you: that's just the rul...<i>I've got news for you: that's just the rule of writers. It's why "editor" is a job.</i><br /><br />No, editor is a job because people make errors in grammar, punctuation, spelling, and syntax; because they exceed the word count and lower priority material needs excising; because they phrase things infelicitously; because they make factual errors; because their arguments have lacunae in them; and because they've uttered something which might generate liability. It's very odd that someone has two distinct personalities manifest in their public writing. Amy Welborn also produced work for publication and blog posts and you saw nothing like this. Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-8309096348961253702021-10-27T09:34:25.794-04:002021-10-27T09:34:25.794-04:00Not sure when he moved to Patheos. Patheos has alw...<i>Not sure when he moved to Patheos. Patheos has always struck me as a lightly screened bushel basket.</i><br /><br />I literally posted it above. You can also see signs of it on his patheos blog. The archive is very scattered in 2002 until 2009 when it then becomes steady, indicating that it's highly likely he started in 2009 (as the link claims) and probably imported some of his popular blog classics over.<br /><br /><i>I first noticed in 2004-05 that his edited writing was rather more temperate than his unfiltered views.</i><br /><br />I've got news for you: that's just the rule of writers. It's why "editor" is a job.<br /><br /><i>It was in late 2005 I noticed his commentary seemed to be taking on the character of bursts of emotion and incorporated misrepresentations of what other people said and vitriolic attacks on their person.</i><br /><br />Again that just seems to be his personality and temperament. So far I can't even locate combox involving him from before 2004 to even establish any kind of baseline. I believe your account of personal interaction, I've just run across examples of it across enough years that to me the evidence shows Shea has a regular problem with anger.<br /><br />What strikes me as him getting worse is that his old replies would at least be in the same ballpark as the original comment. Nowadays if you correct him with something like, "No, I'm pretty sure 2+2 is 4" he will go off about you being a lying lair trump supporter using baby shields and who knows what else which has nothing to do with the math problem at hand. He would always use and go for the pithy slogans, but there was at least a variety of them. Nowadays it's like his brain has been replaced with the same 3 bumper stickers and he'll just repeat them ad nauseum.Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-55277581330279850552021-10-26T16:12:55.865-04:002021-10-26T16:12:55.865-04:00He set up a stand-alone blog in 2002, as did Amy W...He set up a stand-alone blog in 2002, as did Amy Welborn. The late Gerard Serafin set up a directory of all the Catholic blogs he knew of at that time. IIRC, Shea and Amy had 3,000 unique visitors per day around then and were the most visited of Catholic blogs. Both had comment boxes. Not sure when he moved to Patheos. Patheos has always struck me as a lightly screened bushel basket. They do bounce people from time to time. I believe Shea was bounced, as was Warren Throckmorton. He was a contributor to <i>Crisis</i> as late as 2012.<br /><br />I first noticed in 2004-05 that his <i>edited</i> writing was rather more temperate than his unfiltered views. It was in late 2005 I noticed his commentary seemed to be taking on the character of bursts of emotion and incorporated misrepresentations of what other people said and vitriolic attacks on their person. The first time was a discussion of Hurricane Katrina, then there was the ongoing and interminable debate over torture between Shea, Richard Comerford, and the late 'Zippy' on the one hand and Victor Morton, Tom McKenna, Christopher Fotos and 'Torquemada' on the other. One minor (unrelated) episode in that period was him taking the time to savage yours truly for offering an unapproved thought on someone else's site on a topic which gets little attention. (It was his stated view that I'm horrible for having a skeptical take on the use of psychotropics). That's not something anyone but me would remember, but it was indicative of motiveless hostility. It's just gotten worse every year since in regard to secular matters. In re the Church, he's been a cheerleader for Francis for 8 years and in a rage against anyone taking exception. Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-69137918254270076172021-10-26T14:53:12.273-04:002021-10-26T14:53:12.273-04:00As ever you'll have to define your terms of &q...As ever you'll have to define your terms of "going under."<br /><br /><a href="https://www.scifiwright.com/2012/06/mark-shea-ask-the-musical-question-what-where-you-thinking/" rel="nofollow">He was quoted favorably by John C Wright in 2012</a>. Even <a href="https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/cardinal-dolan-and-catholic-photophobia-michael-potemra/" rel="nofollow">National Review would link to him</a>.<br /><br />Though I'll note he started at Patheos blog... well there's a couple of months in 2002, but it was apparently "formerly" recognized in 2009 (per <a href="https://www.patheos.com/blogs/catholicbard/2020/05/a-tribute-to-mark-shea/" rel="nofollow">this article</a>). Whether we want to count Patheos as social media (it's academic I'll grant) it does seem to have a lot of overlap with his issues.<br /><br />Also since I know how you are, Art - in 2005, Mark would have only been 47. Not quite in the bloom of youth, but hardly an age for much decline.Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-42679727935823163362021-10-26T14:30:49.970-04:002021-10-26T14:30:49.970-04:00Shea began going under in 2005, when there was no ...Shea began going under in 2005, when there was no such thing as social media. I've also been trying to think of a Catholic author who has lost his marbles to the degree Shea has. There were some peculiar people who wrote for <i>The Remnant</i>, but they were peculiar before social media existed; ditto Joseph Sobran and the pseudonymous 'From the Mail' columnist at <i>The Wanderer</i>. Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-62987588477459805722021-10-26T14:14:51.620-04:002021-10-26T14:14:51.620-04:00Time is cruel to us all.
But I still say Shea is ...Time is cruel to us all.<br /><br />But I still say Shea is an object lesson about the mainstream media and social media's effects on people.Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-52697972134922548402021-10-26T11:55:50.723-04:002021-10-26T11:55:50.723-04:00Shea is a puzzle. Age is unkind to some people. Shea is a puzzle. Age is unkind to some people. Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-4493200777912127502021-10-26T08:36:54.494-04:002021-10-26T08:36:54.494-04:00If anything his proves his old words right. His IQ...If anything his proves his old words right. His IQ has dropped quite a bit.Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-54312894421507978742021-10-26T07:38:38.268-04:002021-10-26T07:38:38.268-04:00Yep. Hatred of Trump takes away all sins it appea...Yep. Hatred of Trump takes away all sins it appears. I noted some time ago that more than one who Mark champions today is part of the former conservatives who Mark once blamed for pushing him out of the conservative fold to begin with. But they hate Trump and his followers, and that seems to be enough. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-21995368826332347572021-10-25T20:46:56.041-04:002021-10-25T20:46:56.041-04:00Max Boot was a war hawk, a breed that Shea once up...Max Boot was a war hawk, a breed that Shea once upon a time despised, All is forgotten in the fever of Trump Derangement Syndrome.Catherine A. McClareyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06263364661500592648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-8078886780497913772021-10-25T18:48:35.525-04:002021-10-25T18:48:35.525-04:00Yeah, I saw he had linked to that story. I didn&#...Yeah, I saw he had linked to that story. I didn't bother reading his post since I figured I wouldn't have to. I could guess what it would say. For a guy who once said the new media will cause your IQ to drop, he puts almost blind faith in what it says today. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-9473831687461302652021-10-25T18:47:32.723-04:002021-10-25T18:47:32.723-04:00I wonder about a great many conservative voices fr...I wonder about a great many conservative voices from the last decade or so. David Griffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629314279592541401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-79924951159970706622021-10-25T16:02:09.780-04:002021-10-25T16:02:09.780-04:00This man had berths at The Wall Street Journal, Co...This man had berths at <i>The Wall Street Journal</i>, <i>Commentary</i>, and <i>National Review</i>. You get the idea maybe that the Republican commentariat ca. 2014 was shot through with poseurs and the terminally superficial? Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6226269873507053740.post-46069242963173710902021-10-25T12:57:10.230-04:002021-10-25T12:57:10.230-04:00Was this intentional, dave? ;)
Shea's headlin...Was this intentional, dave? ;)<br /><br />Shea's headline today was: "Max Boot on the Endless Republican Strategy of Creating Disaster and then Blaming Those They Hate for It"<br /><br />His only contribution after a lengthy quote from the piece is: "The GOP strategy, like Satan’s, is accuse, accuse, accuse all while doing the evils they accuse everybody else of. For the People of the Lie, accusation is always a form of confession. And, as Jesus observed of the Father of lies, they too are murderers and don’t care if a million people die in the Pandemic just so long long as they can get their hands on raw, nihilist power."<br /><br />Of course how exactly these awful people are supposed to be getting their hands on power when they're the ones taking steps to reduce state power and give people MORE freedom is something I'm sure Shea will explain any day now...Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.com